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Dead Man
« Thread started on: Jan 1st, 2008, 1:43pm » |
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General discussion and questions here for Dead Man
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Re: Dead Man
« Reply #1 on: Jan 7th, 2008, 05:52am » |
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I want to talk about this one! What do you think of it? Do you feel the same now as you did at first? I find this one bizarre in how I feel about it because my feelings have changed so vastly. The first time I watched it I didn't know what it was about but knew Johnny was William Blake so I expected some sort of a biopic on William Blake and couldn't get over my disappointment. I also found the soundtrack irritating and as it went on I found it dragged and while it made me think a bit and was certainly also amusing at times, and Johnny is just oooooohhh in it, I thought it was pretty pretentious and was trying to be more profound than it really was. Because it is supposedly so fantastic that irritated me even more. The second time I watched, I thought it was the most beautiful beautiful thing and I loved it completely. 
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 7th, 2008, 10:20am » |
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I rented this saturday and started watching it at like 1:30am...yeah after 7 minutes and no talking yet I turned it off. lol
I watched it in it's entirety though yesterday and thankfully it got better as it went on. It was...different. That's for sure, but overall I found that it had it's own little humor involved...it just took a bit to get in step with it.
The scene transitions...when it would just fade to black and then fade into the next scene took some getting used to but even now it still anoys me. Think the director could've made that more interesting or at least switched it up every now and again.
Overall it was interesting, I'll say.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 7th, 2008, 11:04am » |
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Yeah i got a bit irritated after no speech for the first 10 minutes or so.. just showing the same things
But I think its a good film... Better than when i saw it the first time
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Re: Dead Man
« Reply #4 on: Jan 7th, 2008, 11:45am » |
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hehe, well I'm glad I'm not alone anyway   . SparrowSpazz - I'd watch it again some time. At least, I certainly overall didn't like it the first time and did a lot the second. But it was a long time before I watched it the second time. And then I'm also not sure what to trust - surely if a film is good you should feel that way the first time you see it? Not that it matters.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 7th, 2008, 12:59pm » |
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Well, I bought it for my collection without having ever seen it first... watched it once..and will have to again it seems.. LOL
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 8th, 2008, 3:29pm » |
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I also bought it for my collection. But I don't know what to think of it, really.........
And I don't know if I ever want to see it again. It was the only Johnny movie I fell asleep during watching it (but okay, I was very tired that day ) and I found the music rather irritating.
Maybe..........one day.............far from now.........I will watch it again.............  opcorn:
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 1:49pm » |
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I haven't seen this one yet. Shall I give it a try, or pass?
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 2:12pm » |
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Oh please...please, do watch it, don;t miss this one.
It is so beautiful, in a very strange, maybe even eerie way.
A tale of transformation.
From boyish innocence into subtle masculinity ...
From one culture into the other.
From life into death - making death less scary, without making life less worthy.
Superficially its form is a Western; but the story runs much deeper than your typical Western.
And Johnny ... my God, Johnny; he is great in this devilishly difficult to play role.
I am going to reas a book about this film Thel send me, by Jonathan Rosenbaum, simply called "Dead Man".
Haven;t read it yet ...need to finish some other books first.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 2:53pm » |
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You'll get more out of it every time you watch it if you give it a chance. (For instance, be sure to pay attention to what's happening when there isn't any talking. The train ride matters if you watch what's passing outside and how the other passengers in the train change as he goes west.) Jarmusch wrote this film specifically for Johnny to play the lead in. It's my personal favorite Johnny film and in my top ten favorites of all time. I can't wait to hear what you think of Rosenbaum, Merlot. He really illuminates a lot of the levels of this film very well.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 3:28pm » |
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Oh, I agree.
Dead Man is deep ...
Deep and metaphysical.
And to get back to Earth, sigh, Johnny looks swell in black and white.
Don't hesitate to post your legendary collection of breathtaking screenshots here, Thel.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 30th, 2008, 6:09pm » |
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Gotta love good ole B&W. I think I got this one from you...
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« Reply #12 on: May 1st, 2008, 10:56am » |
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And also for everything You glued so superbly around them.
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« Reply #13 on: May 1st, 2008, 1:57pm » |
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What I like most about this movie--hope I'm not giving too much away: the main relationship between William Blake/Bill (Johnny) and his Indian companion, Nobody (a name that's at the root of many absurd and hilarious moments), is a funny and absurd illustration of two cultures that just can't communicate at all. The main joke of the film is a case of mistaken identity--Nobody mistakes Bill for the long-dead English poet by the same name. Bill knows nothing about his namesake and has no clue what Nobody is talking about. Throughout the film Nobody quotes lines of Blake's poetry to Bill, and Bill keeps getting annoyed because he thinks Nobody is quoting old Indian Sayings that have nothing to do with him. This miscommunication is never sorted out. The recurring "I don't smoke" line is another cultural misunderstanding. Tobacco was used for trading and for ceremonial purposes, and only smoked for recreation by the white man back east. Bill doesn't know this (he doesn't know much about anything!). Every time he's asked if he has any tobacco he replies that he doesn't smoke--perfectly rational answer to him, but completely beside the point to whoever is asking. What I love most about this story is that these two men come to care so much about one another even though they never understand a single word the other has uttered. It's a beautiful message (and subtle) about what CAN happen between very different people. But it takes place in the midst of the utter destruction that usually happens when different cultures meet. It's a very mythic tale--in many cultures the crossing the water/going west means dying or going to the land of the dead. The film itself has a poetic structure--there a lots of recurring images that all contribute to the main themes, and certain scenes replayed give it structure--like the scene in the beginning when Bill walks through the town of Machine--he makes a similar march through the Indian village at the end. I never get tired of this movie because I always see something new in it.
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Re: Dead Man
« Reply #14 on: May 1st, 2008, 2:34pm » |
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I saw it at FYE the other day and I wanted to get it but I forgot my money...  But I will make an extrememly large effort to find it! You two have sparked my interest! 
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